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丹·桑德海姆的Anthropic、OpenAI与SpaceX投资内幕

来源: YouTube | Dan Sundheim(D1 Capital Partners创始人兼CIO) | 2026年2月录制 分类: 投资 原文发表: Feb 24, 2026 纪要生成: 2026-02-25


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嘉宾/话题简介

Dan Sundheim是全球顶尖对冲基金D1 Capital Partners的创始人兼首席投资官,拥有20余年跨公、私市场的投资经验,曾主导对SpaceXOpenAIAnthropic等超级独角兽的早期投资。本次对话在迈阿密D1办公室录制,覆盖公私市场投资差异、AI大模型商业模式判断、技术变革对各行业的影响、逆境投资经验、长期宏观风险等多个核心话题,全景展现了顶尖投资者的决策框架与底层认知。


分节详述

[00:00] 嘉宾介绍与公私市场投资对比

本节重点 - 2026年晚期私域市场存在独特投资机会,大量改变世界的巨型创新企业仍未上市 - 私域市场竞争集中于优质项目准入权,公域市场竞争更激烈但参与者目标分散 - AI创新爆发大幅提升了公私市场的研究协同性,私域布局可反哺公域投资判断

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"公域市场有无数人在竞争,但大家玩的根本不是同一项运动,而私域市场竞争的人更少,但所有人都朝着同一个目标努力。"

"Whereas the public market, there's tons of people competing, but they're all playing a different sport."


[05:25] OpenAI与Anthropic的投资逻辑

本节重点 - 投资Anthropic的核心依据是创始人Dario的认知清晰度,与早年贝索斯特质高度一致 - LLM商业模式已脱离"航空业同质化无利可图"的争议,头部4-5家玩家格局已锁定 - LLM当前核心争议是极高资本投入下的长期ROI与商业化落地速度

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"我非常看重CEO的思维清晰度,尤其是书面表达的能力,因为要把想法写下来,你必须梳理清楚所有计划,并且用所有人都能理解的方式表达出来,Dario是我见过继贝索斯之后这方面做得最好的CEO。"

"I place a lot of weight on clarity of thought and the ability to communicate as a CEO what you want to achieve and how you're going to achieve it. Especially in written form because taking the time to write something down, you actually really have to go through everything you plan to do and express it in a way that makes sense to everybody else. Dario just did that better than almost any CEO I've seen since Bezos."


[08:34] 赞助商广告环节

本节重点 - 本次播客共有6家企业赞助商,覆盖合规、资管技术、费控、企业集成、AI投研多个赛道 - 所有赞助商均为对应赛道的头部玩家,被OpenAI、Anthropic、Stripe等顶尖企业采用

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"太多工具只提供临时补丁,很容易出现漏洞,Vanta是专为简化和自动化安全工作设计的强大工具,提供合规与风险的单一可信数据源。"

"With so many tools offering band-aids and patches, it's unfortunately far too easy for something to slip through the cracks. Fortunately, Vanta is a powerful tool designed to simplify and automate your security work and deliver a single source of truth for compliance and risk."


[14:27] LLM企业的战略选择建议

本节重点 - LLM企业的核心战略矛盾是多赛道扩张的收益与聚焦的必要性之间的平衡 - OpenAI选择全赛道扩张,Anthropic选择聚焦B端,当前市场更认可Anthropic的战略 - 建议LLM企业尽早布局广告业务,避免后续面对广告支持的竞品时处于劣势

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"如果最终你还是要做广告,那不如早点开始,因为你需要围绕它建设企业文化,这需要时间。"

"If you're ultimately going to do it, you might as well start earlier because you have to be able to culture around, it just takes time."


[22:40] AI对超算云厂商的冲击

本节重点 - 头部LLM企业未来大概率会自建算力基础设施,传统云厂商的长期商业模式面临挑战 - 传统云厂商短期收入会因AI需求爆发加速增长,但长期利润率与客户集中度风险会上升 - 专注GPU集群运营的NeoCloud厂商不会消失,反而会比传统云厂商更具运营效率优势

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"我认为未来10年,云厂商的业务会快速增长,但利润率会面临挑战,一方面AI业务的资本密集度远高于传统 workload,另一方面客户集中度会越来越高。"

"Over the next 10 years, I think these hyperscalers Azure will grow fast. I think the margins, my guess, will be challenged. Both because the businesses are getting a lot more capital intensive because AI is capital intensive, more capital intensive than traditional workloads. And also the customer base is getting more concentrated."


[27:01] AI对软件行业的影响

本节重点 - AI对软件行业的冲击是AI相关的第一批做空机会,当前市场存在过度反应的可能性 - 系统记录类软件的壁垒短期内很难被AI颠覆,具备强客户粘性的软件企业仍有生存空间 - 软件企业必须主动集成AI能力,类似沃尔玛当年主动拥抱电商,才能适应新的市场环境

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"如果你是一家软件公司,不能觉得自己是系统记录就高枕无忧,你必须集成AI能力找到新的生存方式,就像沃尔玛当年把电商整合到自己的商业模式里一样,这个过程会很痛苦,但必须做。"

"I don't think that you can just sit back as a software company and say you know where a system of record will be fine. You're going to have to integrate AI and find ways the same way Walmart integrated e-commerce into their business model and it was painful for a long time."


[35:15] GameStop事件的经验与反思

本节重点 - 2021年GameStop事件是Dan职业生涯中最严重的逆境,D1当时面临巨大的舆论与赎回压力 - 核心应对措施是主动调整投资策略,降低风险敞口,以"打单打双打"的策略逐步恢复净值 - 事件的核心收获是测试了团队韧性,推动了组织适配新的市场结构,没有任何赎回的LP遭到记恨

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"短期内你不可能 disprove 负面叙事,这需要很多年的时间,所以你必须向内看,确保团队目标一致,不管外界有多少人怀疑你,你都要努力去做。"

"It's impossible to disprove the negative narrative in the short term takes a lot of time years and so acknowledging that like this was not going to be something that you changed overnight you know people's perception of you as investor people's perception of D1 as an attractive place to invest capital that was not going to change overnight no matter what I did it was really like looking inwardly at the team making sure that we were all on the same page."


[43:55] 第二轮赞助商广告环节

本节重点 - 本轮赞助商覆盖费控、企业集成、AI投研三个赛道,均为对应领域头部玩家 - 所有赞助商都被OpenAI、Anthropic、Stripe等顶尖科技企业采用

详细精要


[47:13] 长期乐观趋势与核心风险

本节重点 - 最乐观的趋势是AI驱动的生产力提升会带来强劲的经济增长,甚至可能解决财政赤字问题 - 最大的不确定性是人类不再是地球上最聪明的物种,社会结构可能出现难以预测的变化 - 普遍基本收入的方案不符合人类的底层心理需求,无法构建健康的社会结构

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"我认为作为人类,我们从未遇到过即将面临的这种变化,我们从地球上最聪明的动物,即将不再是这个星球上最智能的存在,这会带来什么影响我还不确定。"

"I think that you know we as humanity i just think we've never encountered something that we're about to encounter and so with that kind of profound change like we're going from the smartest animals on the planet we were never the fastest or the strongest it's just we're smarter than other animals um we're no longer going to be the most intelligent beings on the planet and so what are the implications of that um i'm not really sure."


[50:04] 大额投资案例对比:Rivian vs SpaceX

本节重点 - 同一时期对Rivian和SpaceX的相似规模投资,最终回报差异巨大,核心原因是行业属性与执行能力 - 汽车行业天生是差生意,资本密集度高、制造难度大,Rivian的制造爬坡慢于预期导致回报不及预期 - SpaceX的工程能力远超预期,星舰与星链的成功带来了巨大的上行空间,是D1最成功的投资之一

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"失败的投资总是更快显现出来,而伟大的科技投资有时候需要更长时间才能证明其价值,因为优秀的创始人会不断做出正确的决策,这些决策的复利效应需要时间才能显现。"

"The bad ones tend to like be more obvious faster the great private tech investments I think are sometimes slower to prove how great they are because like you have these amazing founders who are just you know constantly making decisions which take the business in one direction or another and ultimately the compounding of those decisions takes time but leads to great outcomes."


[54:27] 做空逻辑与市场效率变化

本节重点 - 当前市场做空机会极多,因为市场效率比10-20年前明显下降,大量标的定价脱离基本面 - 市场效率下降的核心原因是被动资金、零售投资者、短期导向的多经理基金占比提升,长期基本面投资者占比下降 - 做空需要极强的兴趣与基本面研究能力,大多数人不适合参与,但长期来看超额收益明显

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"我妻子一直求我不要再做空了,说这是个糟糕的生意,但你必须对它有智力上的兴趣才能做好,现在市场上有无数的做空机会,只要你有久期和基本面视角。"

"My wife begs me all the time to stop shorting stocks anytime she looks at me and she's like uh oh like this is like a short thing it's like a it's a bad business and so you have to be intellectually stimulated by it and most people in the market are just not fundamentally based period and even if they are fundamentally based they're not interested in shorting there's just endless amounts of shorts if you have duration and if you take a fundamental view."


[56:12] 团队与企业文化

本节重点 - Dan的核心团队成员大多是认识几十年的朋友,忠诚度与信任度极高,同时能力也满足岗位要求 - 面向 portfolio 公司的群聊是D1的特色,不仅可以传递投研观点,还能为创始人提供交流社区 - Dan目前不追求D1的企业价值,核心目标是持续创造优异的投资回报,没有扩张团队的计划

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"我告诉我的被投企业,你们没有现金流但有很高的终端价值,我有很多现金流但没有终端价值,我们在一起正好可以套利这个差异。"

"I told this to my companies I invested I'm like you have no cash flows and tons of terminal value I have tons of cash flows no terminal value so like you know we're good together like you know we can we can kind of arbitrage that."


[01:02:42] 早期投资生涯与职业选择

本节重点 - Dan的投资生涯起步于价值投资者俱乐部,2002年发布的Orthodontic Centers of America做空报告让他一战成名,获得了对冲基金的工作机会 - 在Viking Global的14年是Dan的成长期,从银行分析师做到管理超过一半的公司资本,2016年因为职业天花板选择离开创办D1 - Dan认为投资更多是艺术而非科学,DCF等技术工具很容易掌握,核心是对人性与行业的理解

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"我把我的工作更多看作艺术而非科学,科学部分非常简单,DCF我25年前就学会了,真正有意思的是人性的部分。"

"That is why I perhaps look at my job as more art than science. The science is very simple the DCF I could learn how to do 25 years ago and change the humanity side interests me."


[01:15:59] 长期风险:台海半导体供应链风险

本节重点 - Dan最担忧的长期风险是中美围绕台湾半导体的冲突,可能导致全球经济陷入大萧条级别的衰退 - 台湾生产了全球90%以上的先进半导体,是所有科技产品的核心,供应链的脆弱性极高 - 唯一的解决方案是用10-20年的时间在美欧复制半导体供应链,同时和中国达成政治共识,避免冲突

详细精要

💬 精华片段(中文)

"坦率地说最让我担忧的事是我们在半导体问题上正与中国发生碰撞,如果我们不能解决这个问题,我们会遇到类似大萧条级别的经济危机。"

"The thing that troubles me the most frankly is I think we are on a collision course with China over semiconductors and I'm not sure I think there are ways to get out of that but you know none of them are easy and to the extent that we don't figure that out I think you know we're going to have something you know akin to the Great Depression."


[01:22:31] closing question:人生最温暖的善意

本节重点 - Dan认为人生最温暖的善意来自妻子,大学时期他表现很差,两人分手之后,他拿到贝尔斯登的工作时妻子真心为他开心的瞬间让他印象深刻 - 这个瞬间让Dan意识到妻子是真正在乎他、为他着想的人,当天就决定要娶她,之后也一直努力做更好的伴侣

💬 精华片段(中文)

"我当时对她不够好,我们分手之后,我拿到贝尔斯登的工作时她为我喜极而泣,我意识到这个人是真正在乎我、为我着想的,我走出门就决定我要娶这个女孩。"

"I was a pretty bad boyfriend in college and that like I was busy doing other things and you know I just like I was not very attentive we broke up and I remember like I sat down here and I said like you know we went to get a drink and just to like catch up his friends and I said I got a job at Bear Stearns and I just remember like she just started crying because it wasn't like the easiest thing for me I was like wow like this person who I really didn't properly appreciate like how much they cared for me I walked out and I was like I'm going to marry that girl."


专业术语注释

术语 解释
LLM(大语言模型) 本集指以OpenAI GPT、Anthropic Claude为代表的通用大语言模型,是当前AI产业化的核心技术载体
Scaling Laws(缩放定律) 大模型领域的核心规律,指模型参数、训练数据、计算投入等指标按比例缩放时,模型能力会呈现可预测的持续提升
TAM(总可寻址市场) 指一个产品或服务所能覆盖的全部潜在市场空间,是企业估值的核心参考指标
ROI(投资回报率) 指投入资本获得的回报比例,本集特指大模型企业巨额资本投入的长期回报水平
ERP(企业资源计划) 指面向企业全流程资源管理的软件系统,是企业核心的系统记录工具
CRM(客户关系管理) 指面向企业客户关系管理的软件系统,是企业核心的系统记录工具
GCP(Google Cloud Platform) 谷歌的云服务平台,与AWS、Azure并称全球三大云厂商
GameStop事件 2021年1月美股散户抱团逼空对冲基金的标志性事件,大量做空GameStop的对冲基金出现巨额亏损
LP(有限合伙人) 指对冲基金、私募股权基金的出资人,不参与基金的日常运营管理
DCF(现金流折现法) 最经典的企业估值方法,通过将企业未来现金流折现计算当前价值
高水位标记(High Water Mark) 对冲基金行业的收费机制,指基金只有在净值超过前期最高净值时才能收取业绩报酬
系统记录(System of Record) 指企业内存储核心业务数据的不可替代的软件系统,通常具备极强的用户粘性

延伸思考

  1. 头部大模型企业当前"全赛道布局"与"聚焦垂直赛道"的战略选择,未来3年将直接决定行业竞争格局,值得持续跟踪,目前Anthropic的聚焦策略暂时领先,但OpenAI的全栈布局如果跑通可能会获得更大的长期价值
  2. 大模型企业未来是否会大规模自建算力基础设施,将直接影响AWS、Azure等传统云厂商的长期盈利能力,当前公域市场尚未完全定价这一风险,云厂商的估值可能存在下行空间
  3. AI对软件行业的冲击当前市场存在过度反应的可能性,具备强系统记录属性、完善客户分布的软件企业的长期壁垒尚未被颠覆,当前被抛售的头部软件公司可能存在错杀机会
  4. 台海半导体供应链风险是未来10年全球最大的地缘政治黑天鹅,半导体产业链自主可控的相关赛道存在长期投资机会,包括半导体设备、材料、制造等环节
  5. 公私市场的边界正在逐步模糊,具备优质项目准入能力、跨市场研究能力的投资机构将获得更明显的超额收益,传统仅覆盖单一市场的投资机构的竞争力会持续下降

原文发表:Feb 24, 2026  ·  纪要生成:2026-02-25